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Declined PROD. Fails WP:NSPORTSEVENT. One of the record 121 (so far) losses, nothing about the record-breaking loss itself has lasting notability. The game itself was routine and WP:ROTM. Many comments such as "represented a crucial point" in the rivalry and the announcer calls are WP:FANCRUFT. What needs to be covered of the 121-loss (or more) season can be covered at 2024 Chicago White Sox season – Muboshgu (talk) 14:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Aqua Security

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Does not meet WP:NORG: the article is entirely a list of acquisitions and funding rounds, referenced to trivial coverage ("inclusion in lists of similar organizations" and "of the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business"). No significant coverage. Dan • ✉ 22:13, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Article really is littered with funding rounds. No coverage exclusively to the company in sources. Niashervin (talk) 22:56, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Israel. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 23:35, 1 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 00:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The company is a notable player in the cybersecurity industry, particularly in cloud-native security. Aqua Security has significant media coverage from reputable sources like Bloomberg, TechCrunch, and The Wall Street Journal --Loewstisch (talk) 10:53, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The citations to Bloomberg are directory information. They do not indicate a WP:CORP that is distinguishable from all other cyber security firms worldwide. Being a financially successful corporation does not a notable one maketh. Ventric (talk) 13:39, 2 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I totally agree about Bloomberg, as it is just a directory. Loewstisch (talk) 08:21, 4 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

As to the other references you mentioned - the Techcrunch articles are regurgitated PR on funding rounds with no "Independent Content" as required by ORGIND. The WSJ articles - one has a quote from a company exec, no in-depth information about the company as required by CORPDEPTH, the other is another rehash of a funding announcement, fails ORGIND. None meet GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability.

Keep as the company is well-covered in specific business and security literature (per my additional WP before search), such as books on DevOps, Kubernetes, containerized applications, and cloud security. The page and its sources are also about software. Some security-industry guidebooks also heavily analyze various Aqua software tools, including Trivy and Kube-hunter. --美しい歌 (talk) 10:01, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit simply added three book titles to a new section, and did not connect these references to the prose or explain their relevance. Of the three, Rice (2020) is partially written by company representatives and is not a reliable source: "this work is part of a collaboration between O'Reilly and Aqua Security" (p. ii), Binnie & McCune (2021) is unavailable on Google Books so I can't confirm a reference to the article subject, and Aversa (2023) simply makes passing references for how to use Aqua Security products, but does not demonstrate any notability whatsoever. Dan • ✉ 12:42, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks! I was not solely referring to those books, as there are many more. I agree that Rice (2020) is not an independent source. However, Cloud Native Security devotes a significant portion to the software, while Aversa's book covers the software side of Aqua Security in depth, including descriptions of various software structures, acquisitions, and principles. 美しい歌 (talk) 15:22, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The "Cloud Native Security" book says nothing about the company and the only mentions of the company are in relation to installing some of the software. We require in-depth information about the *company*. HighKing⁺⁺ 10:13, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete because the majority of coverage is comprised of trivial mentions. If it were kept, it would require a sharp reduction in content because it reads as WP:ADS - it is largely self-promo content. However, the lack of specific coverage and the inclusion in "who-to-watch" lists and whatnot does not comprise notability. CapnPhantasm (talk) 15:18, 3 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the sources are mainly about routine investment rounds, but not all of them. Some Hebrew sources, as well as a few U.S. ones, offer sufficient and independent coverage. The company passes ORG notability threshold ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 11:42, 5 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Which sources specifically? Also, the *content* has to be in-depth and Independent, it isn't just the fact that the publisher is independent of the company. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per reliable coverage in many sources - both books, Israel tech media and industry focused news sites. --Mind-blowing blow (talk) 07:45, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Can you give an example? The only non-trivial reference in the article appears to be that of the The New Stack article; the rest of the references are completely trivial funding drivel. A Google News search likewise finds no relevant reliable sources. Dan • ✉ 00:30, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as meeting NCORP. All deletes claim that the article is imperfect: this is true however AFDISNOTCLEANUP. So weak arguments for deletion. gidonb (talk) 22:59, 6 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/move to draft space, the article was almost certainly created by the company itself and is almost entirely based on poor quality sources. I've removed the most egregious claims/sources and what remains is "a list of acquisitions and funding rounds" as stated by the nominator. While a stub article could probably be created from reliable sources, it does not seem fair to allow a "$1 billion dollar" company's marketing department to create work for volunteers. The article should be created via the WP:AFC process instead of allowing a COI article to be created directly in mainspace without repercussions. Brandon (talk) 14:20, 7 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per nom, clearly fails WP:GNG, WP:NCORP Youknow? (talk) 06:27, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 23:02, 8 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete None of the sources meets GNG/WP:NCORP criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:05, 9 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:NCORP,WP:CORPDEPTH, WP:ORGIND and WP:SIRS. Its looks and reads like UPE advert article and still has an acquisitions list like its 2008 and consists of funding news and hosting requirements. I can go through the references, the first block if need be. scope_creep^Talk 18:54, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Insillaciv (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Review of references yields many tech blogs and VC funding reports, and no significant, independent, reliable secondary sources. Jtwhetten (talk) 19:44, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I'll spare everyone the meta-commentary so as to avoid sounding like a paranoiac but the sources available is truly the trivial-ist of WP:ORGTRIV it is possible to get. By design, a pain to get through. Got up to page 10, nothing that contributes to NCORP in the slightest. Binnie and McCune (2021) does briefly mention Aqua in the context of how to use some software, but there is insufficient content about the software for it to contribute to the notability of even the software. Aversa (2023) is published by BPB Publishing which is a predatory publisher, so unless someone gives me a good reason, I am inclined to decline to review it beyond that. Best, Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. An Israeli unicorn with multiple reliable sources and a minimum but significant level of coverage in reputable independent media. In addition, the topic of the discussion is also a set of various software apps that have also received significant media attention even in the industry focused papers and books.

Hib Al Gibol (talk) 15:01, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I see the sources in Hebrew, some books, and at least Calcalistech have required deep coverage with analysis, brief overivew, etc that allows for anyone to "to write more than a very brief, incomplete stub about the organization" - as WP:ORGDEPTH says --Jiaoriballisse (talk) 10:53, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Calcalistech is similar to Techcrunch. It almost the same format and its junk. scope_creep^Talk 09:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Lets have a look at the first block of references:

Ref 1 [1] Inteview with founder. Fails WP:ORGIND.

Ref 2 [2] Paid for profile.

Ref 3 [3] Paid for profile

Ref 4 [4] An X of Y article. This is a paid-for profile and is not independent. Fails WP:SIRS.

Ref 5 [5] Funding news. Fails WP:CORPTRIV

Ref 6 [6] Funding news. Fails WP:CORPTRIV

Ref 7 [7] This is PR profile with interview material. It fails WP:SIRS. Its not independent.

Ref 8 [8] Another list of unicorns. A profile. Fails WP:SIRS

Ref 9 [9] This is the passing mention. Context is wrong. Fails WP:SIRS.

Ref 10 [10] Passing mention. Context is wrong. Fails WP:SIRS.

Ref 11 [11] This details Aquas own security report. Its a WP:SPS source.

Ref 12 [12] Discusses the report above.

So in the first 12 reference not a single reference passed either WP:SIRS, WP:ORGIND, WP:CORPTRIV. All the information like most startups comes from Aqua itelf. It is a complete failure of WP:NCORP. Its another UPE advertisement. scope_creep^Talk 09:02, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I meant to provide an analysis of sourcing earlier. HighKing⁺⁺ 16:01, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: I'll relist this for a few more days to allow editors arguing to Keep this article to rebut the source review which identifies the existing sources as inadequate.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 17:18, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep according to WP:SUBSTANTIAL, partly WP:PRODUCT and WP:CORPDEPTH. I found this discussion very interesting and would like to clarify and help the "pro-life aka keep" voters with a clear example of substantial media coverage. Let's start with WP:PRODUCT. I applied the WP Product while reviewing the book Cloud Native Security, which was mentioned twice in this discussion. I found that Aqua Security’s product, kube-hunter, received significant and in-depth coverage in the book. It wasn't mentioned briefly in any way, but it was thoroughly examined as one of the key tools for auditing and securing Kubernetes environments. The coverage overpassed the book passage requirement (WP Substantial) for the coverage be significant and not trivial. According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines, when a company is known for a series of products, it's best to cover both the company and its products in one consolidated article. Aqua Security's tools, such as kube-hunter and kube-bench, are crucial to its operations and have been recognized by independent, reliable sources, making them notable enough to be included in the same article as the company. Given the deep coverage at least in a source like Cloud Native Security, the page may be notable. For these reasons, I think the article should be restructured to avoid redundant and promotional corporate achievements and mention some of its software. Second, let's come back to WP:SUBSTANTIAL and its second bullet point: A scholarly article, a book passage, or ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization. I spent some time and also reviewed the coverage of Aqua Security in multiple TechCrunch articles, which provide often trivial but often substantial and ongoing media attention that clearly meets Wikipedia’s notability requirements for an organization. For example, Aqua Security has been the highlighted for its large market presence and role in the industry with small but overall good analyses and feedback made by the authors of the Techcrunch. I mean, there were not only mentions of funding rounds, but much more. For example, the 2021 article discusses Aqua’s transition from a product-based company to a platform that secures the entire cloud-native environment, with notable achievements in container and Kubernetes security. Similarly, earlier articles from 2019 also focus on Aqua's innovative approach to container security, explaining its role in securing Fortune 500 customers' critical cloud environments. Third point I've read The Marker media - one of the top in Israel and not tech-only. The article provides detailed analysis of Aqua Security’s unique position in the cloud-native security market, focusing on its specialized approach to securing applications during runtime, which makes it different from competitors like Wiz and Orca. The reporter highlights how Aqua Security’s agent-based solution provides deeper protection than agentless systems. This deep coverage in the article also shows that Aqua’s technology is recognized as being more comprehensive but with a more complex integration process. Additionally, The Marker analyzes the growing overlapping among key players of the cybersecurity industry, where Aqua Security is moving towards offering broader, more integrated solutions by acquiring startups like Argon. The article also analyzes how Aqua Security acts in a competitive Israel market. The media is positioning Aqua as a leader in cloud-native security while providing detailed not trivial and interesting comparisons with new competitors such as Apwind, Sweet Security, and others. So we see here no routine or promotion, but clear deep "homemade" (in-house) significant coverage. Here is the article: [13]. My last point. There is another substantial coverage of Aqua Security in The Marker, which explores how the company strategically acquires competitors to become a bigger player, bite a bigger market share and reduce competition. The article also hints that such activities are not very good and may harm the thriving and competitive ecosystem of security startups, and and so on. Link [14]. 46.120.127.13 (talk) 19:59, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
1. WP:PRODUCT does not apply here as this article is about the company. See the note above by HighKing: We require in-depth information about the *company*.
2. None of the articles in TechCrunch satisfy WP:SUBSTANTIAL as you claim. Please compare to WP:ORGTRIV's example: standard notices, brief announcements, and routine coverage, such as: … of a capital transaction, such as raised capital, … All three of the articles are entirely about receiving investment funding:
  - "Aqua Security raises $135M at a $1B valuation for its cloud native security platform"
  - "Container security startup Aqua lands $62M Series C"
  - "Cloud-native cybersecurity startup Aqua Security raises $60M and remains a unicorn"
3. The first article you cite in The Marker is also about funding, at least according to Google Translate's rendering of the headline: Hebrew: אקווה סקיוריטי גייסה 60 מיליון דולר בשווי של לפני שלוש שנים, lit. 'Aqua Security raised $60 million in value three years ago'
4. The second article in The Marker fails a different WP:ORGTRIV example of trivial coverage: … of the expansions, acquisitions, mergers, sale, or closure of the business, … Hebrew: לפני חצי שנה ארגון השיקה מוצר – כעת היא נמכרת ליוניקורן הסייבר אקווה בעשרות מיליוני דולרים, lit. 'Six months ago an organization launched a product - now it is sold to the cyber unicorn Aqua for tens of millions of dollars'
Dan • ✉ 20:23, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I need to disagree with you and choose the side of the other user who expressed their views above and found those articles. I’ve read it in Hebrew and must admit it really meets the requirements for SIGCOV. I also believe it's important to look beyond the titles and brief summaries of these articles. It's true that many articles begin with catchy headlines about funding or acquisitions, but that's just standard practice for media. The real value lies in the depth of analysis within the text itself.

For instance, The Marker articles do not simply report on Aqua Security’s funding; they provide detailed insight into Aqua’s strategic role in the cloud-native security market and how its technology sets it apart from competitors. One article goes into a thorough discussion of Aqua's unique approach to securing applications during runtime, contrasting it with agentless solutions like those from Wiz and Orca. This isn't just routine coverage—it’s an exploration of the technological depth and market position that Aqua has carved out. The piece also discusses the challenges and advantages of Aqua’s agent-based solution, offering a more complex and comprehensive take than simple mentions of funding rounds.

As for TechCrunch, it’s a tricky question but the rule about “ongoing media coverage focusing on a product or organization” should be used here. I will add additional in a separete comment. ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 11:31, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. NCORP has specific guidance on assessing independence and SIGCOV (particularly ORGTRIV), and the sources provided here do not meet these parameters. Brief coverage of product announcements, funding rounds, acquisitions, etc. is not SIGCOV, content purely derived from what the company says about itself is not independent, and coverage of a product is not inherited by the company. JoelleJay (talk) 22:44, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New significant sources added I was inspired by the latest updated within the discussion and found out that aside from this newly found reliable significant coverage source by the Marker [15] there are some better sources and ground for raising the page’s notability.

Here is another significant piece of coverage on the topic: https://www.ice.co.il/finance/news/article/836868. The Ice.co.il sou provides substantial coverage of Aqua Security by analyzing the impact of its acquisition of Argon. The article share the details of the Argon’s technology and explains how it protects the software supply chain from "code manipulation and malicious insertions." It also make an overview of the context and notes the role in the cybersecurity landscape for Aqua Security and explain the readers how this purchase heps the organizatin to become "the only provider capable of offering full protection for development processes" in cloud environments. Furthermore, it highlights industry challenges, such as increasing cyber threats, and references recent high-profile breaches like SolarWinds.

Another reliable source from The Marker:

https://www.themarker.com/technation/2021-03-10/ty-article/.premium/0000017f-e5eb-d62c-a1ff-fdfbb0b00000

I have an access to it and see that the article provides significant coverage of Aqua Security, stopping in detail at key developments such as its latest funding round, business growth, who invested and why invested (it shed some light that CEO Davidoff worked with one of the investors in the previous round on other projects) and the history of the company. It also explains how the company move from the container security niche to the broader solutions on the global scale.

I have also rewritten the page and made it equally about the software and the company. That is why the company has a large amount of notable software that is the subject of significant reviews/guides in the industry books during the last 3-5 years.

Here are some books I researched thanks to WP BEFORE and share how they contribute to the software/company's notability:

In the book Mastering Cloud Native by Aditya Pratap Bhuyan, Aqua Security receives significant coverage, particularly highlighting its Aqua Platform, which offers comprehensive end-to-end security for cloud-native environments. The book has explanations of key features such as image scanning, runtime protection, and compliance enforcement, demonstrating software’s major role in securing containerized applications and more.
In Security for Containers and Kubernetes by Luigi Aversa, Aqua Security's open-source tool Trivy receives significant, in-depth coverage across several chapters, demonstrating its importance in container security. The book highlights Trivy's functionalities like vulnerability detection, SBOM support, and many other boring technical but not passing-mention stuff. Given the thorough, independent analysis in this book, Aqua Security's software meets Wikipedia's notability requirements for significant coverage.
In the book Kubernetes - A Complete DevOps Cookbook, an entire chapter is dedicated to a how-to guide on integrating Aqua Security's Trivy tool into CI/CD pipelines for container security. This section provides detailed, step-by-step instructions for using Trivy with platforms such as CircleCI and GitLab. The guide was written by authors independent of Aqua Security, which corresponds with substantial coverage under Wikipedia’s notability guidelines (namely this part:: an extensive how-to guide written by people wholly independent of the company or product (e.g. For Dummies).

So, to sum up, there have been found and added to the page at least 3 reliable sources with non-trivial and in-depth coverage of the company, while we also have a multiple books covering the software and the page now is a combination of the company and a product. ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 11:41, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source review:

Dor, Ofir (2024-01-03). אקווה סקיוריטי גייסה 60 מיליון דולר בשווי של לפני שלוש שנים [Aqua Security raised $60 million in value three years ago]. The Marker (in Hebrew).
This is standard WP:CORPTRIV of a corporate funding round.
Cohen, Nitzan (2021-02-12). אקווה סקיוריטי רוכשת חברה ישראלית שתגן על מפתחי תוכנה [Aqua Security acquires an Israeli company that will protect software developers]. Finance. ICE (in Hebrew).
This is standard WP:CORPTRIV of a corporate acquisition. Your comment that it an overview of the context and notes the role in the cybersecurity landscape for Aqua Security and explain the readers how this purchase heps the organizatin describes the standard boilerplate corporate speak found in these types of articles, and is not actually a notable journalistic description of the company.
Zahrovich, Omri (2021-03-10). אקווה סקיוריטי הופכת לחד קרן: 'יש 'הייפ' בענף, אבל לנו יש ביצועים חזקים' [Aqua Security becomes a unicorn: 'There is 'hype' in the industry, but we have strong performance']. The Marker (in Hebrew).
This is standard WP:CORPTRIV of inclusion in lists of similar organizations, particularly in "best of", "top 100", "fastest growing" or similar lists.
Bhuyan, Aditya Pratap (2024). Mastering Cloud Native: A Comprehensive Guide to Containers, DevOps, CI/CD, and Microservices. ISBN 979-833423401-7.
This is a self-published book for its author to advertise his consulting business.
Aversa, Luigi (2023). Security for Containers and Kubernetes. Delhi: BPB Publications. ISBN 978-93-55518-439. OCLC 1382693746.
I already noted above that this book simply makes passing references for how to use Aqua Security products. Further, Alpha3031 identified above that is published by BPB Publishing which is a predatory publisher.
Karslioglu, Murat (2020). Kubernetes - A Complete DevOps Cookbook: Build and Manage Your Applications, Orchestrate Containers, and Deploy Cloud-Native Services. Birmingham: Packt. ISBN 978-1-83882-804-2. OCLC 1190651785. OL 27083721W.
The use of Trivy is explained in pp. 475–481; however, it is a gross exaggeration to claim that an entire chapter is dedicated to a how-to guide on integrating Aqua Security's Trivy tool as the containing chapter (chapter 9) makes no mention of it or of Aqua Security the company outside this six-page subsection. As noted by HighKing, we require in-depth information about the *company* which a brief explanation of how to deploy one of its products does not qualify for.

None of these above qualify as independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dan • ✉ 15:49, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Lots of canvanssing going on here. I had a look at the books as well. The Aditya Pratap Bhuyan book is self-published. Its a junk ref. The Luigi Aversa is essentially a manual and Aqua is mentioned, but its passing mention. Its more on how to implement Trivy and not specific to the company. The Marker is like Tech Crunch, as detailed at a previous Afd. There is nothing here in this company that makes it particular notable. scope_creep^Talk 16:15, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's rich! The Marker is a financial daily owned by Haaretz, Israel's newspaper of record. Nothing like Tech Crunch! gidonb (talk) 18:21, 26 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Commenting and analyzing the reliable sources

This source from TheMarker [16] is not WP:CORPTRIV but a classic WP:SUBSTANTIAL and meet NCROP criteria. Here is my analysis:

According to Wikipedia's notability guidelines for organizations and companies, significant coverage must be:

Reliable: Published by trustworthy sources with a reputation for fact-checking and accuracy.
Secondary: Produced by sources independent of the subject.
Independent: Not affiliated with the subject; free from conflicts of interest.
In-depth: Goes beyond trivial mentions or routine announcements; provides substantial information and analysis.

Reliability of the Source: TheMarker is a well-respected Israeli business publication known for its credible journalism and in-depth reporting. The article is written by Ofir Dor, a journalist, indicating professional authorship. Conclusion: The source is reliable.

Independence and Secondary Nature: The article is independent of Aqua Security; there is no indication of it being sponsored content or a press release. It provides analysis and reporting separate from any company influence. Conclusion: The article is an independent, secondary source.

Depth of Coverage: the article talks/coverages on Market Position (Discusses Aqua's maintained valuation amidst industry challenges), Company Background (provides history since its founding in 2015, total investments, and key personnel); Industry Analysis (explores the competitiveness across the industry, mentioning specific competitors and how Aqua's approach differs. It analyzes industry trends, such as the convergence of cybersecurity solutions and the debate over agent-based versus agentless security tools); Technical Evaluation (discusses the technical aspects of Aqua's solutions. Includes perspectives on the effectiveness of their approach compared to competitors. The article addresses both the business and technical dimensions of Aqua Security, offering a broad overview “that extends well beyond brief mentions and routine announcements).

Avoidance of Trivial or Routine Coverage: not Routine, while it mentions the funding event, the article expands significantly on other aspects.

Conclusion. The coverage is significant and non-trivial because the focus is on analyzing the company's position, strategies, and industry impact rather than merely announcing routine stuff.

Second source for analysis [17]. I will be brief here. The article, instead of trivial routine mentioning of the purchase of Argon competitor, explores in-depth how the acquisition of the startup helps Aqua Security's position in cloud-native security “by enhancing their protection across the software development lifecycle, especially focusing on software supply chain security”. It also provides us with a discussion on Argon's agentless solutions and the integration into Aqua’s platform that may strengthen Aqua’s capability in securing apps "from code to runtime," which may be a good leverage among the competitors. The article further mentions the context of cyberattacks, referencing infamous incidents like the SolarWinds and Codecov attacks and discussing how Aqua’s integration of Argon’s technology will influence this. This industry-wide analysis adds significance and in-depth coverage that goes beyond a routine announcement of the acquisition.

Third source [18] the article goes beyond routine corporate announcements by…. analyzing the company's growth trajectory, financial details, and competitive positioning within the cloud-native security market. Additionally, it highlights Aqua Security's evolution, telling the readers how it progressed from a container-based security company to another industry: cloud-native security platforms. The coverage also has details about the company's revenue growth, clients, and how it fits among the global industry giants like CheckPoint and Palo Alto Networks. All that is filled with some kind of irony about the market hype around cloud-native security and the journalist kind of questions if it’s enough for Aqua, even along with tis good financial performance, to be distinguished from competitors and survive.

So, to sum up, this is pretty decent depth of coverage, providing financial specifics, industry comparisons, and market positioning. It definitely is reliable, secondary and deep enough. I also need to highlight what is the TheMarker media, as for many it may sound like some junk. So, TheMarker is a leading financial and business news outlet in Israel. It has a long-standing reputation for its thorough journalism and reliable reporting. Founded in 1999, it is part of the prestigious Haaretz group, one of Israel's oldest and most respected media organizations (founded in 1918). TheMarker is well-known for its investigative journalism, independence of view, deep and critical economic and business analysis. ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 11:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @ג'ימיהחיה. As I understand it "לפי הודעת אקווה" translates to "According to Aqua's announcement". Is this incorrect? Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:54, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the news includes also the company's announcement, which I disregarded and did not include in my analysis, as well as any comments from any parties—whether from the startups that were acquired or from industry competitors. ג'ימיהחיה (talk) 13:24, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Remove Israel junk company. Stupid to have it here. 2600:4041:57B4:BF00:2468:1474:B3D3:E0BB (talk) 13:53, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nima Lashkari

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Assistant professor who does not come close to meeting WP:NPROF, one of two created recently directly to main space by an editor with only a few edits. Not enough publications, no major awards. Article was draftified on WP:NPP with notability tags, but tag was removed and it was immediately moved back to main space with the claim "meets Wikipedia standards". I think an easy case of Delete. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ahmed Almheiri

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Assistant professor who does not come close to meeting WP:NPROF, one of two created recently directly to main space by an editor with only a few edits. Not enough publications, no major awards. Article was draftified on WP:NPP and tagged for notability, but tag was removed and it was immediately moved back to main space with the claim "meets Wikipedia standards". I think an easy case of Delete. Ldm1954 (talk) 13:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tomoki Hidaka

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Playing 24 games in the Japanese second league 14 years ago is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 13:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sheng Peng

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Playing 391 minutes in the Chinese first league, 90 minutes in the second league and some matches in the third league is a weak claim to notability. The sources are not enough to rectify that, and as such he fails WP:GNG and WP:SPORTCRIT. Geschichte (talk) 13:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sébastien Socié

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Socié was a perennial reserve who barely played, if he played at all, on somewhat higher levels of football. None of the sources constitute significant coverage. Geschichte (talk) 13:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Europe of Sovereign Nations (party)

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The relevant article already exists Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. The existence of a second article is abusive, all the more so if it offers the reader nothing different or new in terms of information. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 18:35, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose legally distinct entities: see ECR party & group; EPP party & group Braganza (talk) 18:46, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What is the essential difference between the two? Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 19:21, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

one is a european party, the other is a group

FvD is member of the party but not the group Braganza (talk) 19:57, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Just like at the national level, European parties are extra-parliamentary entities, while political groups are entities that operate only within the confines of the (European) Parliament. Membership is different, leadership is different, rules are different, roles are different, names and logos are (often) different, etc. Julius Schwarz (talk) 21:00, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Indeed, seems like a clear case of confusing European political party and political group of the European Parliament. Should have read the disambiguation page Europe of Sovereign Nations. Julius Schwarz (talk) 18:50, 13 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Oppose, it is a separate entity and has one different member.--Jay942942 (talk) 13:49, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose, a party and a European parliamentary group are different, there is also seperate articles for the ECR group and the ECR party, I can understand the arguments to delete this page since the ESN is small but we should be consitent on it --LuanLoud (talk) 17:31, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia, I'm curious about your deletion nomination. How can the presence of a related article on Wikipedia be considered "abusive"? Abusive to who? It's just after looking at thousands of AFD discussions, it's an argument I've never come across before and I'd like to know what you meant. Thank you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:39, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I picked the wrong word. I meant excessive (too much)- two articles on the same subject. Sorry if I confused you. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:26, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It is not the same subject though. ElTres (talk) 05:19, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Do those !voting "oppose" perhaps mean "keep"? See WP:DISCUSSAFD. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:40, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, oppose the proposed deletion. Julius Schwarz (talk) 08:09, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. This is not identical to the sovereign nations group, but as long as the party remains aspirational, and the article simply instead lists constitutent members that are parties that form the group, the reader would be better served by having this all in one place. Should this become an actual party it is almost certain that reliable sources would cover it as such and at that point it would merit its own article. We are not there yet. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Parties do not form a group, MEPs form a group. ElTres (talk) 13:48, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This the best solution ! Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:46, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is absolutely not the best solution. These are two distinct legal entities, with different members, different leaders, and different roles. There is no reason to merge these two articles. Even if the Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) did not register as a European political party, it would deserve its own page as a political alliance, of which there are many -- as it would still be distinct from the Europe of Sovereign Nations Group. Julius Schwarz (talk) 16:59, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
There are not two legal entities at this time. Even if there were, the different legal entities are not the reason for having an article page. Both entities would need to be independently notable. At this stage the party is not independently notable. If and when it becomes a reality, and when secondary sources then discuss it, that would be when there should be a page. Until then, it is detail that should be on the group page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:44, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
This is objectively false: there are indeed two separate legal entities. The Europe of Sovereign Nations (party) is not yet endowed with European legal personality, but it is indeed registered as an association in Germany and exists as such. And, although notability is more subjective, the two entities are indeed independently notable, as they do not have the same members and roles. Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:50, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page is about a party (that does not exist) and not about a precursor association. But again, what we need are secondary sources discussing the party. We don't have any, so this does not meet WP:GNG. When it actually becomes a party, that is likely to change. But to date we have nothing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:00, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
You are free to change "party" to "alliance" or "political alliance" in the title of the page. However, there seems to be a rather strong consensus against deleting this page. Julius Schwarz (talk) 20:35, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The party does exist. Proof can be found in Handelsregister Berlin under registration number VR 41308. It just has not yet been registered as European Political Party by the APPF. I agree that secondary sources were missing from the article and have added some. ElTres (talk) 20:56, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
"Handelsregister Berlin" is a primary source, so not suitable for WP. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 17:04, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
For an opinion, no, but for fact? How is a register not a good source for the fact that something is registered? Julius Schwarz (talk) 17:07, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Here is my analysis of the 3 new sources you added. They do not change my view. Per WP:SUSTAINED, we see that Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability. Articles saying what the AfD intends to do are not sufficient to write an article about a party that does not exist yet. The information is not irrelevant but a reader is poorly served in having to locate and read an article about a party that has not yet come into existence when this information would be better placed on the page about the group and the page about the AfD.

Source	Independent?	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
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Tagesschau - AfD will Europäische Partei gründen (AfD wants to found a European party) [19]	Tagesschau is a German national news programme/service hosted by a public service broadcaster. Independent and reliable.		The article discusses their plans, and why they are in a hurry to do this - to access funding - but it confirms no such party exists. This information is current for the Alternative fur Deutschland page, but it cannot tell us about this party as an entity, because it doesn't exist yet. This does not significantly describe the party. It does not tell us what the party is. It cannot even tell us the party will definitely come into being. Wikipedia is a lagging indicator of notability and so an article about something that does not exist should not exist. There are existing articles where this information should be discussed.	✘ No
RedaktionsNetzwerk Deutschland - AfD plant Gründung von neuer europäischer Partei (AfD plans to establish new European party) [20]	RDN is the news network for Madsack Media Group which has political control but is independent from the AfD		The same issue as above. The article is about plans, and the desire to access funding. It confirms that the party does not exist yet.	✘ No
ThePostOnline (NL) FVD sluit zich aan bij Europe of Sovereign Nations (FVD joins Europe of Sovereign Nations) [21]	TPO is a Dutch news website. Privately owned but independent.	? They aspire to be like Fox news or CNN and rely heavily on comment. I am not sure if they are considered reliable or not.	The article is about the FVD (Forum voor Democratie) joining the ESB. All we have is Forum voor Democratie (FVD) heeft zich, ondanks afwezigheid in het Europees Parlement, aangesloten bij de nieuwe rechtse politieke beweging Europe of Sovereign Nations. Deze beweging is opgericht door de Duitse partij Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), die eerder werd uitgesloten van de fractie Identiteit en Democratie. That is Forum for Democracy (FVD) has joined the new right-wing political movement Europe of Sovereign Nations, despite its absence in the European Parliament. This movement was founded by the German party Alternative für Deutschland (AfD), which was previously excluded from the Identity and Democracy group. That is not significant coverage from which an article can be written.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:39, 18 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose ValenciaThunderbolt (talk) 11:50, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The nom. has nominated deletion, so per nom. would be delete yes? Those stating oppose above probably mean keep. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 13:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
i think he means norm like in "normal" Braganza (talk) 16:20, 20 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting. Also, arguments like "oppose per nom" makes no sense because if you oppose this article's deletion, then how can you agree with the nominator that it should be deleted? It would be helpful if participants used the standard words, Keep, Delete, Merge, Redirect or Draftify.
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Keep it's a legally distinct entity with separate membership and structural organization. If we have Volt, European Communist Action, &c, we should keep this This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 00:31, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

What secondary sources cover it? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:08, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep no reason to delete Braganza (talk) 15:30, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ The more my research on the party progresses, the more I am convinced that it should be deleted. And it's obvious since the article is primarily based on primary sources and has a problem of original research as I have already pointed out with the relevant tag. Meanwhile, those in favour of keeping make no effort to substantiate the notability of the article on the basis of Wikipedia's policy. Probably because they can't. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:55, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It has already been pointed out that it is a separate entity from the correspondent EP group, with its own separate leadership and membership. It has already been pointed out that the party has been officially registered as party, and is therefore a legal entity on its own (and not just the idea of a project). It has already been pointed out that the existence of pages for EP groups and European parties bearing the same names and containing potentially overlapping information is a standard in the specific context of European politics. Deleting the page for merely procedural reasons would be a mistake to me.--Fm3dici97 (talk) 21:22, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There are two different organizations: a European political party and a European parliamentary group. I see absolutely no point in deleting the party page. I see the problems that this page has, but even they are not a reason for deleting. It's like deleting an article about the European People's Party, merging it into the EPP group (or vice versa). PLATEL (talk) 10:25, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But there is not a political party as it hasn't yet been registered as a political party. Registration is pending. But even if we take the pre-registered association as something, there remain no reliable secondary sources covering this. If the party were registered, we might presume notability, but until that happens, it is entirely possible that registration would be withdrawn and it would never be notable. If there were reliable secondary sources significantly covering the party, then it would pass GNG. At this stage neither is true. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no European political party at this point, as registration is pending, but there is a political alliance, as has already been pointed out several times. Sure, there may need to be further sources, but this shortcoming does not seem to warrant (in the eyes of almost all contributors here) the proposed merger. Julius Schwarz (talk) 10:39, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

There is no point...no one cares about the lack of sources. Pallikari ap' ta Sfakia 16:44, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: The fact that the party exists and that it is a separate legal entity from the group are not, by themselves, a valid argument to keep an article on Wikipedia. The question here is whether the party meets our notability guidelines for a standalone article, or whether the sourced material is better off being merged.
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Dumbrella

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While the webcomics that are part of the alliance are notable, the alliance itself doesn't appear to have received significant coverage in reliable sources; I was only able to find mentions. The article was previously kept at an AfD (well, VfD), but that was back in 2004 when standards were very different. toweli (talk) 10:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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merge to Webcomic#Webcomics collectives seems like the best bet? Hobit (talk) 21:24, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Besides a listing in the colofon of Webcomics (2005), I got nothing. The sources in the article aren't particularly reliable either, so there's nothing for us to say on Dumbrella I'm afraid. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 15:37, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sweet potato haupia pie

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Appears to be a non-notable dish. Sources are all recipes and blogs. The sprouted garden source is about the sweet potato, not the pie. The book is just a single sentence+recipe. The U Hawaii is a recipe. Google search only found recipes (and very few of those). Recipes for Haupia pie -- some referring to it as a Hawaiian classic, which is at least a claim to notability and may be a possible place to move instead of delete -- came up more often, but that was usually pies of just haupia or haupia with chocolate or other flavors. I see this was converted to a redirect to Sweet potato pie once, but reverted. I think it could possibly be redirected to Haupia. Valereee (talk) 12:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep More reliable sources added LittleT889 (talk) 07:50, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Marcel Ulehla

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I cannot find any evidence of notability for this Slovak men's ice hockey player to meet the whole WP:GNG. He only played less than 100 matches in the highest league. Excluding passing mentions, I only found an interview on Czech newspaper Deník in terms of reliable secondary sources. ⋆｡˚꒰ঌ Clara A. Djalim ໒꒱˚｡⋆ 12:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Right to Recall Party

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Fails WP:GNG. — Hemant Dabral (📞 • ✒) 11:20, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Tina Dabi

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Pete Wilson (wrestler)

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No notable wrestler. Just worked on an independent level. The article has a few sources, non of them focusing on him, just WP:ROUTINE results. Looking for sources, he only has passing mentions on a few events. 1 . I don't understand how a 2006's version of the article was voted as keep. HHH Pedrigree (talk) 11:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Running Man (Taiwanese TV series)

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No assertion of notability. Cabayi (talk) 11:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Strong Keep: A quick search provided me with sources from Sing Tao Daily[22], Central News Agency[23], Liberty Times[24][25], ETtoday[26], Nownews[27][28], Mirror Media[29], Up Media [zh][30], etc., along with interviews with the director[31] and the lead cast[32][33], clearly fulfilling GNG and NTV. Besides, the series is produced by Videoland Television Network, a nationwide cable TV network in Taiwan, which also fulfills NTVNATL. No BEFORE was conducted before this nomination. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 12:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Tim Harries

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The article as it stands is unsourced. The assertion of notability relies on WP:INHERITed notability from the bands with which he has played, not on WP:MUSICBIO. Those with VRTS access can see ticket:2024091010008831. Cabayi (talk) 10:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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How (video game)

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Cites almost entirely primary sources, fails WP:GNG. This game isn't notable at all. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Comparison of the Java and .NET platforms

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This article is currently a mess and reeks of original research and fancruft. Even if there could be enough sources to justify the notability of this comparison, with the current way this article is written I see no other way than to WP:TNT it. 0xDeadbeef→∞ (talk to me) 10:27, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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delete - Yes, both the Java, and the .NET platform are similar in many ways; likely they are two very common plaforms where Software development is done. In that respect, the 'recipes' of how certain things are done are very similar; tools may be slightly different. If you look at it at the level of Data Structures (or Abstract Data Tyes), there way to implement Lists, Queues or Sets is similar. I would nevertheless think that doing an in-depth comparison (which needs to be kept up to date, too) shouldn't be the focus of Wikipedia. It will not serve the average reader of wikipedia, and it will be of a very limited use to more tech-savy editors (as they have other sources for this kind of information). Eptalon (talk) 12:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Toni Firmansyah (Indonesian businessman)

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Puff piece article to promote his business. Fails WP:SIGCOV. scope_creep^Talk 09:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Harold J. Dunlap

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Cant see why he is notable. Note tag has been removed several times. Fails WP:SIGCOV, WP:NACADEMIC. scope_creep^Talk 09:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Luis Anula

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Physical coaches are very rarely notable, and this coach has worked for relatively minor clubs on a European scale. There is no trace of independent and significant coverage in the sources, which are either primary sources, too reliant on quotes (which is also primary), too short to be significant or WP:ROUTINE transactional coverage, i.e. A went from B to C. Geschichte (talk) 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Northwest India (pre-1947)

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Article about a non topic, consisting of snippets of information we already cover properly and in depth in other articles. Mccapra (talk) 08:28, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Draftify or delete if not improved: The article is extremely sparse at present and everything there is already covered in other articles. But the historical-cultural idea of "northwest India" (as opposed to specifically the Indus Valley, Punjab, etc.) does seem to have some scholarly attention, at least from outsiders: [34], [35]. If the article weren't fairly new, I would be a firm delete, but I'm willing to give the author the benefit of the doubt for now. But the article as it is isn't ready for mainspace. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 12:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sven Franck

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This subject doesn’t pass WP:NPOL as he’s an unsuccessful candidate, and he doesn’t look like a GNG pass either. The sources are either self-published, an interview, or about the Volt party and its positions rather than in-depth independent coverage of the subject. Mccapra (talk) 08:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Henrie Kwushue

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Refs are profiles and interviews for this newb. Fails WP:SIGCOV. Very early career. UPE. scope_creep^Talk 08:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. WP:TOOSOON, WP:UPE applies. Most of the coverage is in tabloid/gossip publications and such articles are not helpful. Interviews are definitely primary references while we need secondary references. Fails WP:GNG. 185.189.253.223 (talk) 11:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ahmed Jila'ow Adow

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This bio stub is supported by a single source, but that source doesn’t substantiate the claims in the article. I was originally going to redirect this to National Security Service (Somalia) as this article claims he was the service director. However that article lusts others as directors, not this subject. Possibly the article creator mixed two different people up, I don’t know. Anyway we are left with a biostub in which the claim to notability is not supported by the single source. Mccapra (talk) 08:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Taipei Economic and Cultural Office in Guam

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Non notable consulate. Mccapra (talk) 07:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Diplomatic representation on this level rarely meets WP:ORGCRIT, can't find anything to indicate this case is different. AusLondonder (talk) 12:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

DJ Ravish

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Fails WP:MUSICBIO, WP:SIGCOV. References are stitched together using event listing, profiles,WP:SPS sources, clickbait sites, social media refs and interviews. No indication of significance. scope_creep^Talk 07:44, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Than Singh Doli

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This person does not qualify for a standalone Wikipedia page because he lost the election and he is not a member of the respective assembly. TheSlumPanda (talk) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Obviously, this fails WP:NPOL. How was this article not nominated at the time of creation? Candidacy does not inherently make someone notable. Also, thanks to TheSlumPanda for nominating it. GrabUp - Talk 08:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Posted a message to the NPP editor who marked this article as reviewed, which is the reason this article wasn’t taken to AfD. GrabUp - Talk 08:48, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, election spam. Geschichte (talk) 08:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No claim to notability, fails WP:NPOL. AusLondonder (talk) 13:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Fazle Hasan Shishir

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The article doesn't meet WP:NFILMMAKER. Producing non notable films doesn't justify notability, and that's the opposite to the page creator's stance. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 07:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete: Sources included seem to be a series of WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS (or university newsletters), and the content is almost entirely promotional in nature. Meets criteria for an A7 or even G11 speedy delete. pluckyporo ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Gene Hallman

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Reviewed during NPP. No evidence of wp:notability under SNG or GNG. The sources and material are essentially all resume/CV type factoids. Previously deleted as an AFD result at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gene Hallman. The closest possibilities for SNG are some local specialized awards which have been put into the lead. North8000 (talk) 14:07, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I'm unsure why the article was revived after being deleted? Sole editor discloses that they are paid for their contributions to the article by the founded companies. The companies themselves do not have any notable pages. pluckyporo ^{(talk • contribs)} 07:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Australian Democrats (Queensland Division) Incorporated

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Minimal article on a state branch. The Australian Democrats were never significant in state level politics in Queensland and this article is little more than excess detail about the foundation of the branch, a list of federal Senators from the state and obscure points of Queensland company law. State & territory branches of Australian parties should only exist when the party was a significant force at that level. Timrollpickering (talk) 12:11, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Nima Asgari

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Disputed draftification. I would have returned to draft, but WP:DRAFTIFY dictates that cannot happen, so here we are. Fails WP:NFILMMAKER. References are passing mentions that they have made such and such a film 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Dear @Timtrent, Thank you for your review. I would like to highlight that Nima Asgari is a well-known documentary filmmaker in Iran, recognized for his significant contributions to environmental and wildlife documentaries. He has won several prestigious awards at international festivals, such as the Jackson Hole Wildlife Film Festival in the USA and the Green Screen Film Festival in Germany. Additionally, he has served as a jury member at events like the Matsalu Nature Film Festival in Estonia. I have updated the article with reliable sources and references that showcase his notable achievements and contributions to the field.

I hope this additional information helps in reconsidering the decision regarding the article. Siavakhsh (talk) 17:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Despite the statement above, the additional references aren't at all useful. This is not a review. Reviews are different. This is a discussion leading to potential deletion. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 17:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I agree, the sources are not WP:SIGCOV. As for WP:NFILMMAKER, I saw news coverage (but more WP:PRSOURCEs of some film festival category wins, but no reviews of his work in independent, reliable sources that would indicate a pass on WP:NBIO. Dclemens1971 (talk) 07:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Nasib Piriyev

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Article about a non-notable businessperson and CEO. Previously declined in WP:AFC but moved to mainspace anyway. Sources are just WP:PASSINGMENTIONS and does not cover the subject WP:INDEPTH. Some the sources are regular WP:ROTM. Jamiebuba (talk) 07:45, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Nasib Piriyev is a notable entrepreneur and business leader whose contributions have been recognized by multiple independent sources. He has significant projects in the fields of Energy, Lifestyle, Capital financing, Culture and Philanthropy, which have been covered by major national and international outlets, including Azertac,HELLO! Magazine, and The New York Times.

His ventures, including AzMeCo, Buta Arts Centre, and Woodford Finance, have had measurable impact on countries including Azerbaijan, United Kingdom and Malta, as reflected in multiple sources. Nasib has also linked to recognitions including the film awards emerged by SONUNCU (The Last One), the work he co-directed. 12eeWikiUser (talk) 17:28, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Milky Mist Dairy

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This dairy organization does not satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria for corporations, as outlined in WP:NCORP and WP:ORGCRIT. Also, does not have sufficient coverage WP:SIGCOV in the reliable sources WP:RSP. Current page is WP:PROMO. Charlie (talk) 06:46, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: The article reads like an advertisement. Maybe you should have tried G11 first. The sources do not meet WP:SIGCOV, and the subject fails to meet WP:GNG or WP:NCORP. The article includes the company’s products in a way that is entirely promotional. GrabUp - Talk 06:53, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@GrabUp I am a bit cautious with CSD nowadays, as I have made mistakes in the past and my NPP training is not yet over. It's better to put this page through AfD. Let's hope this page gets updated and qualifies for WP:HEYMAN. Charlie (talk) 07:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete. Poor to unreliable sources. Clearly promotional page. Fails WP:N, WP:SIGCOV and WP:NCORP. RangersRus (talk) 11:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:ORG major company with revenue of 120 million dollars per annum.122.172.87.137 (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Ajja Jhala

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Yet another installment of a WP:WALLEDGARDEN on the Jhala family created by a now-blocked sockmaster. The core sources for these articles are books of purported genealogy published by Jhala family descendants. This article takes a legendary genealogy and launders the sources to present it as history:

Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India is edited by two Jhala family members, including one who presents himself as the current head of the Jhala dynasty and heir of its legendary founder. It presents a fantastic story of Ajja Jhala leading an army into battle headless.
Ulian's Rajput is a self-published book that repeats and embellishes the same rather fantastic legends.
This book is self-published through vanity press Notion Press.
The article also cites two explicitly fictional works to support factual claims: The Flute and the Sword and The Hero of the Aravalis.

Meanwhile, the independent/reliable sources do not present any of this legendary material as fact or otherwise.

Bhardwaj's Hemu gives a brief mention to Ajja Jhala (p. 49 and the same anecdote repeated on p. 87).
Hooja's A History of Rajasthan gives a single mention to Ajja Jhala.

In short, what WP:SIGCOV we have on the Ajja Jhala includes legend repeated by WP:SPS and WP:COI sources, making it a failure on WP:V. The independent coverage, such as it is, does not establish facts about this figure as presented in the article and is not sufficient SIGCOV to pass WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 06:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom's thorough reasoning. APK hi :-) (talk) 06:25, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Ram Krishna Bantawa

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Very promotional article that doesn't meet WP:NAUTHOR and WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 05:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Jhala dynasty

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This article is another installment of a WP:WALLEDGARDEN on the Jhala family created by a now-blocked sockmaster. (See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Harpal Dev Makwana for an example of a deleted article in this set and Jhala (clan) for an appropriately sourced version not created by a sockmaster. The core sources for these articles are books of purported genealogy published by Jhala family descendants. This article takes a legendary genealogy and launders the sources to present it as history:

The first set of sources are the unreliable ones:

Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India is edited by two Jhala family members, including one who presents himself as heir and descendent of Harpal Dev and the current head of the so-called "dynasty." It includes fantastic stories from the vahi (legendary geneaologies of high-caste Indian families), for example one figure defeating a ghost in battle and marrying a goddess who supernaturally rescues their children from an elephant.
Ulian's Rajput is a self-published book that repeats and embellishes the same rather fantastic legends.
Kumarapala-prabandha appears to be mostly a repetition of legends
This book is self-published through vanity press Notion Press.

Meanwhile, the independent sources do not present any of this legendary genealogy.

Ramusack's The Indian Princes and Their States has a single WP:TRIVIALMENTION of the Jhalas (page 73)
Naravane's The Rajputs of Rajputana has a single paragraph describing the Jhalas as a "minor clan."
Singhji's The Rajputs of Saurashtra discusses the Jhala Rajputs but says of the earlier stories, "Bardic tales about their migrations from the Himalayan region to Sindh seem to contain little truth."

Additional sources include WP:RAJ-era surveys of questionable reliability and WP:TRIVIALMENTIONS in a gazetteer.

In short, what WP:SIGCOV we have on the Jhala dynasty includes legend repeated by WP:SPS and WP:COI sources. The independent coverage, such as it is, does not establish facts about this dynasty as presented in the article. With an adequately sourced article on the Jhala (clan) I think the best approach to this compromised article is WP:TNT. Bottom line: Fails WP:V and WP:GNG for lack of SIGCOV in independent, reliable, secondary sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 05:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Looking at the article page, it does not seem to contain any far-fetched claims except the Origin section which should be renamed to 'Origin legend' or clarified that it is a traditional legend.

Also, the argument for unreliabity of the source Genealogy, Archive, Image: Interpreting Dynastic History in Western India being that the co-author is a Jhala doesn't seem valid considering that there are probably a million of Jhala people and shouldn't make them ineligible to write on the subject. Both the authors are also scholars in anthropolgy with Jhala having served as the Professor of Anthropology at Temple University as per the linked press release.

I do believe more context can be added regarding the tradtional sources the authors have used. But deleting the article would be an extreme step. The subject is very much notable. Many later kingdoms, states and principalities claimed descent from the members of this dynasty. Thank you. Krayon95 (talk) 09:16, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The problem with Genealogy, Archive, Image isn’t only that it’s written by Jhalas. It’s that one of the authors claims to be the head of the dynasty (see link above) and the book is an effort to launder legends into a historical account. The other reliable sources to discuss the Jhalas do not do this, as I noted above. The appropriately sourced Jhala (clan) article covers this ground without retailing legends as facts. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hugo Money-Coutts, 8th Baron Latymer

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Unclear notability. Are all British peers automatically notable? Natg 19 (talk) 04:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Velpula Sarayu

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. I would have possibly declined for the second time, but it does appear that the creator has made up their mind that she ranks the 6th in an unknown women category of a chess competition. The subject has participated in non notable competition, and has appeared in few sources, but there aren't WP:SIGCOV. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Anti-Cheat Expert

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Doesn't meet WP:GNG. If sources are found, please ping me. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 04:23, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Actually Anti-Cheat Expert is a rather notable software in China and there are numerous resources about it in Chinese:

https://www.sohu.com/a/803766128_120840 (ACE was reported by China Game Report)

https://baijiahao.baidu.com/s?id=1715266563479839884&wfr=spider&for=pc (PR Newswire's report about the game security summit held by ACE)

http://youxichaguan.com/news/30343.html (ACE was awarded as the best game service company in 2022)

Many popular games had cooperation with Anti-Cheat Expert and lots of gamers know this software. Yogurt moon123 (talk) 06:36, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://intl.anticheatexpert.com/#/index (the official website-English version)

https://fairplayalliance.org/members/ (showing as a member of fair play alliance as many other notable gaming companies)

https://anticheatexpert.com/#/index (official Chinese website showing that ACE has passed ISO 27001 and ISO 27701)

https://www.cbinsights.com/company/anti-cheat-expert (introduction from cbinsights) Yogurt moon123 (talk) 05:06, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I am not convinced by the sources, simple announcements are insufficient to prove notability. The WP:SIGCOV doesn't seem to be there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Batangas–Quezon Road

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This road does not meet WP:GEOROAD or WP:GNG. Listed sources are primary (1-5) or passing mentions (6). A search has not revealed any sources that would qualify as secondary and WP:SIGCOV. Possibly could be made a redirect to Batangas City. Garsh (talk) 04:09, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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@Garsh2: I found this source which may contribute to notability. Left guide (talk) 08:34, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Renz Nathaniel Cruz

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Unclear if there's enough here for WP:CREATIVE/GNG. Most of the sources have him name-checked as a member of the musical ensemble, but I'm not seeing any in-depth coverage. KH-1 (talk) 03:18, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This person has barely done any professional work, let alone had a notable career. Strong delete. -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Collapse spate of brand new editors seemingly canvassed to this discussion. Daniel (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reconsider deletion. An article from The Varsitarian provides significant coverage of Cruz's role in forming OperaJuan, an emerging youth opera and musical theater group, demonstrating leadership in his field. Cruz is quoted discussing the group's mission, showing he's considered an authority figure. The coverage provides substantive, independent information that establishes Cruz's notability in the field of Philippine music. I have expanded the article with this information. Ixo490 (talk) 03:50, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That's the publication of his alma mater. There's one sentence for background and two quotes. It's not really enough.-KH-1 (talk)

Retain. Did some research. Person is active performer. There is much evidence to this. Discography is also legitimate. Tracks are in all streaming platforms. Thompson.walkins (talk) 05:56, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We can retain the article. Google recognizes the legitimacy of the artist. Ixo490 (talk) 06:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I believe there are compelling reasons to keep the article. As an emerging artist in the Philippine music and theater scene, his role in forming OperaJuan demonstrates leadership and initiative, highlighting his contributions to the local arts community. While he may not have extensive coverage yet, Wikipedia should be open to documenting rising talents, especially those making innovative strides in their fields. The presence of the artist's tracks on major streaming platforms and evidence of active performances suggest a legitimate, ongoing career in the arts, providing a solid foundation for the article that can be expanded as the artist's career progresses. Furthermore, as a young artist working in opera and musical theater in the Philippines, the artist may represent an important voice in the country's evolving performing arts scene, making it valuable to document his work for those researching contemporary Philippine culture and music. Retaining the article allows for future growth; it's not uncommon for articles on emerging artists to start small and develop over time. Additionally, including articles on up-and-coming artists from various countries enriches Wikipedia's content diversity, offering a more comprehensive view of global arts and culture. Given these points, I suggest keeping the article with appropriate sourcing and a neutral tone while monitoring for additional notable achievements or coverage that can further establish the artist's relevance. Editlife1tr (talk) 06:29, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:SIGCOV and the socks chiming in on this discussion aren't helping their cause. APK hi :-) (talk) 06:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Editors are super obsessed with deleting articles of actual living professionals. Get a life. Keep the article. Loewemathers (talk) 06:37, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Googled the person and he is in fact a singer from the Philippines. Everything seems true and correct. I don't see any false or misleading information nor form of self-promotion. TOOLINK (talk) 06:43, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I wonder how the people recommending deletion can verify the notability of any theater or opera artist from the Philippines when none of them are from the country. Not to mention, there's no existing database on Philippine theater and opera artists. This is a good contribution to the category. Thompson.walkins (talk) 06:51, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Second this. These people are bored to death. This could help expand the list of local artists from Philippines. I don't see enough information on them. Ixo490 (talk) 06:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Opera is a niche area of performing arts. Looks like their country doesn't have reliable information regarding this field. However, this online database of classical musicians recognizes him. TOOLINK (talk) 07:02, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck duplicate !vote from Thompson.walkins. DMacks (talk) 14:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep.~~ Make Wikipedia great again! Please stop deleting valuable, truthful information. Go and look for other pages to delete. There's real vandalism and then there are people hellbent on eliminating legitimate entries. TOOLINK (talk) 06:59, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Striking duplicate vote. You can only cast one bolded "vote". Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:07, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

To all of the new editors to Wikipedia, first "Welcome!" Secondly, Wikipedia determines whether or not an article should be Kept or Deleted not based on a vote count but based on whether or not notability can be established by reliable, independent secondary sources. They can't be "passing mentions" but provide SIGCOV (significant coverage). So, your pleas to save this article or accusations against other editors or Wikipedia won't have much impact but if you could find additional sources from mainstream new sources (not blogs or social media) could help establish notability and influence whether or not this article is Kept or not. Wikipedia is governed not by editors' opinions but by policies and guidelines and this is how we determine what articles should be Kept and which ones should be Deleted. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Collapse spate of brand new editors seemingly canvassed to this discussion. Daniel (talk) 09:21, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep.~~ Even A.I. recognizes the person. Hate to admit it, but I trust Artificial Intelligence more than these notorious editors. Loewemathers (talk) 07:12, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply] What is that supposed to mean? Geschichte (talk) 08:55, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply] Struck duplicate !vote from Loewemathers. DMacks (talk) 14:05, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Account creation dates: User:Ixo490: 5 hours ago, User:Thompson.walkins: 3 hours ago, User:Editlife1tr: 3 hours ago, User:Loewemathers: 2 hours ago, User:TOOLINK: 2 hours ago. Northern Moonlight 09:00, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As an uninvolved administrator, I have taken actions (including page protection and collapsing seemingly-canvassed participation from brand new editors), to restore order and remove disruption from this debate. Daniel (talk) 09:22, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Certainly seems like a talented artist who could merit an article at some point, but right now, the notability just isn't there. To anyone canvassed to come here: deletion isn't a punishment, it's just that Wikipedia's purpose is to recognize notability, not help create it. CoffeeCrumbs (talk) 13:15, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Embassy of Fiji, Brussels

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No inline sources. Basically a list of staff. Fails WP:ORG. LibStar (talk) 03:13, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Almost all of embassies fails WP:GNG. Fiji–Belgium relation does not exist so delete is the option here Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 03:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The article would be at Belgium–Fiji relations for alphabetical reasons, but yeah. Geschichte (talk) 08:54, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, no secondary sourcing to support WP:GNG. Dclemens1971 (talk) 04:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Just wanted to note that LibStar has brought this article to AFD before under a slightly different name at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Embassy of Fiji to Belgium which is why the PROD on this article was declined. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mount Barker United SC

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I can't find any WP:SIGCOV for this semi-pro Australian football team that isn't on the website of its football federation (footballsa.com.au) and thus independent. As a result, this is a WP:GNG / WP:NSPORT failure. (If you see coverage I may have missed, please ping me.) Dclemens1971 (talk) 02:46, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger

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I did a WP:BEFORE and found only one source of info, which is listed in the article, [36], and also an interview. The other sources in the article are either WP:PRIMARY, WP:ROUTINE press releases, an Instagram post, or IMDb. Therefore, it does not pass WP:GNG. Conyo14 (talk) 04:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Urbina, Rafael (2024-01-11). "How to Watch The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger: Stream Series Premiere Live, TV Channel". Sports Illustrated. Archived from the original on 2024-02-05. Retrieved 2024-09-24.
  The article provides 239 words of coverage about the subject. The article notes: "The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger is set to make its series premiere on Thursday night on INSP, with the series showing tales from the Western frontier which were inspired by the adventures of the famed mountain man Jim Bridger. As Bridger guides a new wave of Americans heading west, he must help them survive the same life-and-death situations that made him a legend. The series started with the debut episode titled "The Prizefighter," and it tells the story of when Bridger's second-in-command begins enforcing camp discipline with brutal violence."
2. Leydon, Joe (2024-01-11). "C&I Q&A: Rib Hillis of The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger". Cowboys & Indians. Archived from the original on 2024-09-24. Retrieved 2024-09-24.
  The article provides 142 words of non-interview coverage about the subject. The article notes: "It’s a long way from the fashion capitals of Europe to the frontiers of Montana, but Rib Hillis has made the transition smoothly and authoritatively to play the title role in The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the new series premiering Thursday on INSP. ... With Tall Tales of Jim Bridger, the multitalented New York native gets his big chance to display his versatility by persuasively portraying the legendary 19th-century mountain man and frontiersman who explored the entire distant West and survived countless hair-raising adventures, and became an invaluable guide for settlers in search of new homes and lives for themselves. Of course, as the title indicates, the real Jim Bridger was known to, shall we say, exaggerate his resume. The series acknowledges his status as a not-always-reliable narrator, but shrewdly invokes dramatic license now and then to amp the entertainment value."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Tall Tales of Jim Bridger to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 10:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I suppose I disagree with this assessment, mainly that they are partial coverage and not significant. The first source is primarily a press release, while the second lacks the in-depth coverage. But we both find a different interpretation of that and I can accept that. Conyo14 (talk) 11:33, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Cunard: As a publisher, post-2019 Sports Illustrated (SI) is questionable for various reasons. I learned most of this from a recent discussion over at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject National Basketball Association/References (which you may find helpful), and a trip down the RSN archives is also very illuminating. If you can prove that the author of that piece is a real human with respected credentials and reputation in this topic area, then that might be sufficient for establishing reliability akin to how WP:EXPERTSPS works. Left guide (talk) 06:33, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The sources presented by Cunard are convincing and I agree with Cunard's assessment. Also, a redirect being warranted, I am opposed to deletion of this article. Thanks, Cunard.-My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 22:35, 24 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisting comment: Relisting as there is a disagreement over whether found sources are sufficient to establish notability.
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Redirect I'm not entirely convinced the sources really represent significant independent coverage when the Sports Illustrated reads like an advertisement and the Cowboys & Indians piece is an interview with the actor. I do not think that a preamble introductory explanation of the subject really makes it independent of the interview, when the interview is the headline. That said, if the sources are deemed inadequate to keep the article, it could probably reduced to a section in Jim Bridger until/if more reliable sources are located--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 02:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Seyed Ali Mousavi Nour

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Fails notability, the whole article is about trying to sell his achievements as something important. never won a major senior medal. never even participated in a major event. his medal (if true) is just in youth level. Sports2021 (talk) 01:29, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No record of him competing at any adult tournament. Only success has come in youth categories, which has never been sufficient to show WP notability. Reports of team results do not constitute significant independent coverage. Fails to meet WP:GNG, WP:BIO, or any SNG. I also see the AfD notification on the article's page keeps getting removed by IP addresses. Papaursa (talk) 23:13, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In the sport of karate, unlike many other sports, there is no significant distinction between youth and adult competitions in terms of prestige and recognition. In fact, both youth and adult categories are considered to be on the same level, with no difference in the value and importance of their achievements. This is a point that is often not fully understood by those who lack expertise in karate. Many non-specialists and even some media outlets may assume that youth competitions are less significant than adult ones, whereas in reality, youth competitions in karate are held with the same level of difficulty and professionalism, and the medals earned in both categories hold equal prestige and value. This is especially true in major continental tournaments like the Asian Championships, which are organized under the authority of the World Karate Federation (WKF). The medals and achievements in these tournaments are recognized and recorded globally as significant accomplishments. These competitions are of the same caliber as adult events, and in many cases, athletes who win medals in the youth category quickly go on to achieve success on the international adult stage as well. This misunderstanding about the differences between age categories often leads to the undervaluation of athletes' achievements. However, from the perspective of experts and those deeply familiar with the structure of karate, it is clear that such successes, even in the youth categories, are by no means of lesser value compared to adult categories. This article, much like the article on Zohreh Barzegar, which highlights similar achievements in karate, should not be deleted. The value and significance of these accomplishments are comparable to those of other professional athletes whose articles remain on Wikipedia, and removing this article due to a lack of understanding of the sport’s structure would result in disregarding a legitimate and recognized achievement.InfoExplorer2023 (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete fails notability WP:ATHLETE. The article is a mess with links to official, medal, team, gold medal. The only claim to notability is a medal at the 2021 Asian Championship which is not sufficient to support notability by itself. Mostly routine event coverage and doesn't meet WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 16:09, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In defense of keeping the article, several key points need to be considered. Firstly, karate is a martial art with its own complexities, which may not be easily understood by everyone. Unlike more popular sports like football, karate requires specialized knowledge and experience to properly assess an athlete's achievements. In this case, the article may seem brief, but that doesn’t mean it's not valuable; rather, it's currently a stub article. According to Wikipedia's stub guidelines, this article has the potential to be expanded over time by editors who are knowledgeable in karate.Regarding notability, it's important to reference WP:ATHLETE. According to this guideline, sporting achievements at the international level are inherently notable and warrant the creation of a standalone article. Winning a medal at the 2021 Asian Championship is just one example of this athlete’s success, and it is significant enough to demonstrate their notability. WP:ATHLETE explicitly mentions that success in reputable international competitions is a valid criterion for notability. Additionally, from the perspective of WP:GNG (General Notability Guideline), the article includes reliable and credible sources that provide sufficient coverage to verify the athlete’s notability. The sources cited in the article go beyond just the medal at the Asian Championship and provide a broader context of the athlete’s career and accomplishments, which can be expanded upon as the article grows. Lastly, the argument about WP:TOOSOON should not be used as a reason for deletion. This athlete is already recognized on an international level, and deleting the article due to perceived premature coverage would only hinder the development of more information about them. Wikipedia is a platform meant to collect and expand knowledge, and this article not only meets the notability guidelines but also represents an opportunity for further improvement by editors with expertise in karate. Given these points, deleting the article would not only be a mistake but would also contradict Wikipedia’s own policies. The article adheres to the notability guidelines and should remain so that it can be further developed, allowing the athlete’s achievements to be fully documented over time.BookLover070 (talk) 18:08, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep~~ The issue of deleting certain sports articles, particularly regarding karate, requires careful and in-depth consideration. In this discipline, competitions and medals directly reflect the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. Karate, as a martial art, demands advanced techniques and high concentration, which can only be achieved through continuous practice and competition at the adult level.In karate, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are held in a professional and competitive manner. Winning a medal in Asian competitions, regardless of age, demonstrates the high abilities and skills of this athlete at an international level.Deleting these articles is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable from the perspective of the documentation and credibility of Wikipedia's sources. These articles can remain as reliable references in the field of karate and contribute to documenting the history and achievements of athletes.Therefore, based on my expertise in Wikipedia and the sport of karate, I firmly state that this article should be preserved to enhance the recognition of karate athletes' achievements and to document the history of this sport within Wikipedia.BookLover070 (talk) 19:22, 28 September 2024 (UTC) (striking duplicate vote, you can only cast one bolded vote. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:14, 29 September 2024 (UTC))[reply]

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Delete The subject doesn't seem to meet notability per the above arguments. They also seem to be an actor of sorts from what my attempt to find sources showed me, though none of the roles they have been involved in seem to be major, either.--Brocade River Poems (She/They) 02:32, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hadi Kiani

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Fails notability, never achieved anything important. the article tries to show him as a two time Asian Championship medalist but that's not in senior level. Sports2021 (talk) 01:26, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non notable athlete. Fails sports notability and WP:GNG. Lekkha Moun (talk) 15:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Success at youth martial arts events does not show WP notability, nor does a current world rank of #550. Nothing that shows WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MANOTE, or any other SNG is met. Papaursa (talk) 23:21, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In karate, unlike many other sports, there is no significant difference between the youth (under-21) and adult competitions in terms of credibility and status. In fact, both the youth and adult categories are evaluated at the same level, and there is no distinction in the value and importance of their achievements. This is often misunderstood by those who lack sufficient expertise in this sport. Many uninformed individuals, including some media outlets, may assume that youth competitions are less important than adult competitions. However, the reality is that youth competitions in karate are held with the same level of difficulty and seriousness, and the medals earned in both categories hold equal credibility and value.Particularly in prestigious continental events like the Asian Championships, which are overseen by the World Karate Federation (WKF), the medals are recognized as global successes. The quality of these competitions does not differ from that of adult competitions, and in many cases, athletes who achieve medals in the youth category quickly find remarkable success at the international adult level as well.This misunderstanding regarding the differences between age categories leads some individuals to fail to recognize the valuable achievements of athletes. However, from the perspective of experts and those who are deeply familiar with the structure of karate, such successes, even in the youth category, are by no means less significant than those in the adult category.Please advise users who lack sufficient knowledge about this sport not to remove templates or edit the article, as doing so only harms the integrity of information, such as that found on Wikipedia in English, and spreads misinformation about karate. Maintaining accuracy and reliability in the discourse surrounding this sport is essential.InfoExplorer2023 (talk) 20:50, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The issue of deleting certain sports articles, particularly regarding karate, requires careful and in-depth consideration. In this discipline, competitions and medals directly reflect the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. Karate, as a martial art, demands advanced techniques and high concentration, which can only be achieved through continuous practice and competition at the adult level.In karate, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are held in a professional and competitive manner. Winning a medal in Asian competitions, regardless of age, demonstrates the high abilities and skills of this athlete at an international level.Deleting these articles is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable from the perspective of the documentation and credibility of Wikipedia's sources. These articles can remain as reliable references in the field of karate and contribute to documenting the history and achievements of athletes.Therefore, based on my expertise in Wikipedia and the sport of karate, I firmly state that this article should be preserved to enhance the recognition of karate athletes' achievements and to document the history of this sport within Wikipedia.BookLover070 (talk) 19:18, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Amirreza Borzooei

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Fails notability, never won a major medal. the article shows he won 2 Asian Championships bronze medals but they were in youth and junior level, no senior medal yet. Sports2021 (talk) 01:21, 22 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No indication of ever competing at a major (continental or world) event as an adult. Another competitor with youth continental championships that don't show WP notability. No evidence of meeting WP:GNG, WP:BIO, WP:MANOTE, or any other SNG. He finished second at one adult event and has a current world ranking of #53. He's young and has potential, but it's WP:TOOSOON to say he's WP notable. That currently requires a WP:CRYSTALBALL. Papaursa (talk) 23:33, 23 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep In the world of karate, one of the unique features is that competitions for youth and adults are regarded equally in terms of value and importance, with neither group having superiority over the other. Unlike many other sports that often view youth competitions as a preliminary stage, in karate, both age categories are judged by the same standards, and the achievements and medals of both groups hold equal significance. This reality may seem unfamiliar to those who are not fully acquainted with karate, and some individuals or media may mistakenly perceive that youth competitions are less important than those for adults. However, the truth is that youth competitions are held with similar challenges and difficulties as those for adults, and the medals earned at both levels are equally credible and valuable.For example, in prestigious events like the Asian Championships, which are organized under the auspices of the World Karate Federation (WKF), the medals won are recognized as international successes, and the quality of competition is in no way inferior to that of adult events. It is noteworthy that athletes who achieve medals in the youth category often quickly find success at the international adult level as well. These misconceptions about the value of achievements in different age categories can lead to misunderstandings. However, experts and those familiar with the structure and complexities of karate clearly understand that success in any age category—whether youth or adult—is equally important and significant, and one should not regard the value of one over the other as lesser.InfoExplorer2023 (talk) 20:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The issue of deleting certain sports articles, particularly regarding karate, requires careful and in-depth consideration. In this discipline, competitions and medals directly reflect the high level of skill and experience of the athletes. Karate, as a martial art, demands advanced techniques and high concentration, which can only be achieved through continuous practice and competition at the adult level.In karate, there is no separation between age categories, and all competitions are held in a professional and competitive manner. Winning a medal in Asian competitions, regardless of age, demonstrates the high abilities and skills of this athlete at an international level.Deleting these articles is not only incorrect but also unjustifiable from the perspective of the documentation and credibility of Wikipedia's sources. These articles can remain as reliable references in the field of karate and contribute to documenting the history and achievements of athletes.Therefore, based on my expertise in Wikipedia and the sport of karate, I firmly state that this article should be preserved to enhance the recognition of karate athletes' achievements and to document the history of this sport within Wikipedia.BookLover070 (talk) 19:13, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: I'd like to hear from some experienced editors. New editors, please refer to Wikipedia policy and describe how the sources that exist provide SIGCOV. This is required to establish notabiity, as Wikipedia judges it, not as it is understood in the world of Karate.
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Delete, far from meeting WP:SPORTCRIT. The claims made by "keepers" above are strange, and the article is also disingenuously fluffed-up with claims of pursuing "karate professionally" at the age of 7. Geschichte (talk) 08:53, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Shri Krishna (1993 TV series)

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Sources on the page are unreliable and fall under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. A WP:BEFORE found nothing reliable, just more of the same. CNMall41 (talk) 07:38, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_DD_National#Drama_series. I was thinking of redirect to the production company Sagar Films but this has no source on the page. RangersRus (talk) 11:49, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Given the existing coverage (such as https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/television/after-ramayan-twitterati-welcome-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna#google_vignette, https://theprint.in/india/after-ramayan-and-mahabharat-now-shri-krishna-to-return-on-dd/407561/ etc etc); or redirect (/as a historically important series for/) to the network. Very opposed to deletion. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 18:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep: As Mushy Yank said above, remove some sources, and find more reliable sources, but very opposed to deletion Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:50, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Again, after some research, I'm just finding out that 160 episodes were filmed with the actor "Swapnil Joshi" but then they were deleted and refilmed from episode 73, Tilak has also wiped some articles too just because they contained some footage. and while deleted by some user, It also did air on ZEE TV, it has many indecisive things, for exmaple some sources say it aired from '93 to '96 while others say it's aired from '93 to '96 but later shifted to DD1, some other say that it was aired in '99 on ZEE TV for the first time and some that it aired on DD2-Metro and shifted to ZEETV and/or DD, It's very hard to find truthful sources, as all talk about the same thing but say it differently. for say the example mentioned above. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rather keep it and do more research on it. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Two mentions that verify it exists is hardly enough to establish notability. If that were the case, pretty much every television show would be notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:32, 14 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Absolutely true, but it takes some time to find some reliable sources. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 05:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

All articles talk about the same thing, just their matter is different, even with some or for say a lot of digging can be done but it results to the repetitive articles. Though for me deletion is not okay. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 05:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Page has been up since 2009, and by now we all realize after quite some digging that no reliable sources with indepth significant coverage is to be found. Redirect is better than to keep. Right? RangersRus (talk) 12:46, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

We could've redirected, if for say there was any good mention of it anywhere, but any mentions of it are exotic across wikipedia Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 15:57, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

https://www.republicworld.com/entertainment/television/krishna-cast-here-is-a-list-of-actors-and-the-characters-they-play

https://www.indiatoday.in/television/soaps/story/after-ramayan-ramanand-sagar-s-shri-krishna-to-return-on-doordarshan-1670255-2020-04-23

https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/tv/news/hindi/after-ramayans-end-viewers-welcome-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna/articleshow/75547221.cms

https://mumbaimirror.indiatimes.com/coronavirus/news/after-ramayan-shri-krishna-returns-to-dd/articleshow/75359729.cms

https://www.indiatvnews.com/photos/entertainment-swapnil-joshi-shri-krishna-ramayan-comedy-circus-mahasangram-611899

https://www.filmibeat.com/television/news/2020/after-ramayan-and-mahabharat-doordarshan-to-bring-back-ramanand-sagars-shri-krishna-298001.html

https://hindi.news18.com/news/entertainment/tv-ramayan-will-end-today-on-doordarshan-shri-krishna-will-start-from-ss-3073219.html

https://www.aajtak.in/entertainment/television/story/krishna-janmashtami-2022-date-18-or-19-august-know-where-is-ramanand-sagar-shri-krishna-show-cast-tmovf-1519979-2022-08-18

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/tv/news/when-and-how-to-watch-shree-krishna-on-doordarshan/articleshow/75501800.cms

https://www.bhaskarhindi.com/city/mumbai/union-minister-piyush-goyal-congratulated-mahant-swami-maharaj-on-his-91st-birthday-1066201?infinitescroll=1

https://www.thelivemirror.com/doordarshan-brings-back-shri-krishna/

https://www.latestly.com/entertainment/tv/how-marathi-actor-swwapnil-joshi-became-the-common-link-between-dd-shows-uttar-ramayan-and-sri-krishna-1724038.html

https://www.indiatvnews.com/entertainment/tv/enjoyed-watching-ramayan-now-ramanand-sagar-s-shri-krishna-set-to-return-on-doordarshan-611513

https://navbharattimes.indiatimes.com/photomazza/tv-photogalleries/janmashtami-2023-top-show-shri-krishna-1993-cast-where-is-yashoda-maiya-damini-kanwal-shetty-now/photoshow/msid-103423057,picid-103423197.cms

https://www.financialexpress.com/life/entertainment-sri-krishna-telecast-time-on-dd-national-doordarshan-sri-krishna-broadcast-timing-daily-1946373/

https://amarujala.com/photo-gallery/entertainment/television/shri-krishna-actor-krishna-aka-sarvadaman-d-banerjee-now-where-is-he

https://www.jansatta.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/shri-krishna-actor-mahendra-muralidhar-dhule-played-bhima-ramanand-sagar-serial-sri-krishna-3-times-played-kumbhakaran-still-looks-like-young-boy/1439996/3/

https://www.hindustantimes.com/tv/shri-krishna-the-show-that-turned-swapnil-joshi-into-god/story-pRZnHUDgao6rAmuqEwsInL.html

https://www.naidunia.com/entertainment/bollywood-ramanand-sagar-shri-krishna-will-be-retelecast-on-dd-national-form-3-may-2020-know-its-timings-5530789

https://zeenews.india.com/hindi/entertainment/photo-gallery-krishna-janmashtami-2022-know-how-much-shri-krishna-cast-serial-1993-cast-change-in-29-years/1306669

https://hindi.scoopwhoop.com/entertainment/where-is-1993-shri-krishna-show-sudama-actor-mukul-nag/

https://www.jansatta.com/photos/entertainment-gallery/shri-krishna-radha-reshma-modi-played-in-many-bollywood-movie-after-27-years-he-looks-changed-photos-covid-19/1404748/

These are some sources that I found. I think they're reliable Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 16:18, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

wait https://www.bhaskarhindi.com/city/mumbai/union-minister-piyush-goyal-congratulated-mahant-swami-maharaj-on-his-91st-birthday-1066201?infinitescroll=1. is a wromg source help Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 20:39, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not worth entertaining a discussion when the first reference you supplied falls squarely under WP:NEWSORGINDIA. Won't waste time looking at the rest as it seems to be a misunderstanding of what constitutes a reliable source. A redirect is acceptable as we can verify it exists, but nothing that shows it is notable. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:32, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, so now that you mention that it falls Wikipedia:NEWSORGINDIA, I think, you're actually right. I think deletion would be ok, as there's no adequate source to find. (Ignore this here I was trying not to start an argument but oh well.) Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:51, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

But again, I think this show deserves a page. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:53, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Are you changing your vote to delete?--CNMall41 (talk) 20:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

no. I am not. This show is of significance and deserves a page, no arguing Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 22:10, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

"I think, you're actually right. I think deletion would be ok, as there's no adequate source to find" - This is written as if you are. At least, it does agree there is no adequate sourcing so without it I am wondering your policy-based reasoning for keeping it. --CNMall41 (talk) 00:57, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Is what I was thinking, until I kept finding stuff, Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 08:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Also curious about this edit as you added content that is no where in the source. --CNMall41 (talk) 23:34, 15 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The cast or the above para? Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you're talking about cast, I just corrected some errors, and if you're talking about the above para, It's common knowledge to know DD didn't stream it in '97 and hence it was handed to ZEE TV, and Sony & Star did stream it following 2001. Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 07:56, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Common knowledge? I certainly didn't know about it. In Wikipedia we are allowed to state the obvious (e.g., the sky is blue), but what you added would be WP:OR at best. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:00, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find any adequate source as all would "apparently fall under Wikipedia:NEWSORGINDIA", but here's a statement from the production team- https://production.sagarworld.com/shri-krishna Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:01, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Production company is considered primary and not secondary independent reliable source. RangersRus (talk) 23:19, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

If you need further source, here's an image of it airing on Zee TV, (footage is now deleted and replaced with SD Banerjee) Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 21:06, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Analysis of sources.
- Source 1 and 2 are announcement of airing the show.
- Source 3 has passing mention with sale of VCD and the price being sold for.
- Source 4 is primary source sagarworld founded by the son and grandson of Ramanand Sagar, Director and Producer of the show.
- Source 5 is interview wirh Moti Sagar, the youngest son of Director and Producer Ramanand Sagar of the show.
- Source 6 is intervew with Govind Khatri, an actor from the show about what role was originally offered to him and about his life after the series.
- Source 7,8,9,10,11,12 are all about Sarvadaman D. Banerjee (main lead of the show) and interview with him, on his life after the series.

All sources are poor with some WP:NEWSORGINDIA and no reliable source independent of the makers and actors of the show with indepth significant coverage to pass notability. RangersRus (talk) 23:37, 16 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure your assessment is completely correct. Taking just one example, source 5 offers very significant coverage beside an interview, in a bylined article in a very reliable newspaper. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 07:38, 17 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Sourve 5 says "Krishna made Swapnil Joshi a star overnight; co-director Moti Sagar talks about the TV show." This source is not independent of the claim by the makers themselves. Source needs to be completely secondary independent. RangersRus (talk) 15:20, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Do I have to copy and paste the whole article here? The major part is attributed to the journalist. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 15:57, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot make it any more clearer than what the journalist himself said on the top of his article about the maker talking about the show and anything that journalist wrote in that article is the outcome of the interview. It is not an indepedent source at all. I am leaving at that. RangersRus (talk) 16:10, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The following parts can be attributed Kavita Awaasthi, journalist for The Hindustan Times, based on her interview with Sagar; the media outlet being considered generally reliable, they can be used to verify a number of facts that contribute to the notability of the program, such as, at least:

After making the successful TV show Ramayan, producer Ramanand Sagar wanted to tap into another epic show — the Bhagavat Puran. Produced by Ramanand, Subhash Sagar and Prem Sagar, and directed by Ramanand, Anand Sagar and Moti Sagar, Shri Krishna was one of the biggest grossers for Doordarshan during the seven years it was on air. The national broadcaster had a limit on the number of episodes it could air in the ’80s, but the ’90s brought about a change in these rules. A producer could now make a show for a longer duration.

Music composer Ravindra Jain composed the music for this serial. The title song, ‘Shree Krishna Govind Hare Murari’, became popular in India and abroad. The show ran for more than seven years, and had over 200 episodes. The show covered Krishna’s life, from his birth to the time of his grandchildren.

The show was shot in Gujarat’s Umbergaon and Vadodara, where they put up huge sets.

Swapnil had a huge fan following because of the show. People thought he was Krishna.

This, in my opinion, in a 2016 article about a 1993 program, can be given a certain credit and at least contributes to the apparent notability of the show (that had, as I am sure you have noticed, 221 episodes and originally aired during 6 years.....) and I think that the material, if the page was redirected, would be lost, which would be detrimental to the encyclopaedia. (And that's just one source). Thank you. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 16:41, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

^{omg finally for goodness' sake someone mentions this, I'm not trying to be rude but why can't someone just read the sources and watch the show for 2 whole minutes to get some fruit out of it. GOD! (replied to mushy yank)} Auspiciouswastaken (talk) 18:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: There are reliable sources present, opposed to deletion. Imsaneikigai (talk) 14:36, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Demonstrate so called reliable sources present that has not already been analysed above. RangersRus (talk) 15:24, 19 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to List_of_programs_broadcast_by_DD_National#Drama_series: where it will only need to be verifiable, which it is, rather than to have reliable sources proving notability, which it lacks. Owen× ☎ 17:36, 21 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting for additional and more thorough source analysis.
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Aina Asif

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NC less than a year ago but given that two editors have since been blocked, It think Asif needs another look. I'm unable to find evidence she meets N:ACTOR. Star Mississippi 01:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Unreliable sources. Wikibear47 (talk) 07:31, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Meets WP:NACTOR with multiple significant roles in notable productions. -My, oh my! (Mushy Yank) 11:52, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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2026 Colchester City Council election

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This is a planned election for a second-tier local government authority scheduled for nearly two years away. A case of WP:NOTCRYSTAL. AusLondonder (talk) 01:49, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Sangguniang Kabataan of Barangay Cagniog, Surigao City

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Non-notable youth council of a non-notable barangay in Surigao City. Redirecting as an WP:ATD would be a bad idea since this is not a plausible search term. HueMan1 (talk) 00:19, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:GNG Warm Regards, Miminity (talk) (contribs) 03:38, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as per above. We don't even have Surigao City Council and Sangguniang Barangay of Cagniog. Howard the Duck (talk) 11:30, 29 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Ida Loo-Talvari

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Fails WP:SIGCOV. When I first came across this article, the only source cited was to an unreliable genealogy website. I removed that source because it isn't usable per the reliable sources noticeboard. The subject's only claim to notability in the article is who her husband and brother are. This seems to be a case of WP:NOTINHERITED. 4meter4 (talk) 23:59, 28 September 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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